Fetters Setters ~ What Some People Will Say and Do to Sell a Dog ...: December 2010

What Some People Will Say and Do to Sell a Dog ...

Through the years, John has both seen and heard first-hand accounts of breeders and others who have resorted to, well, strange ~ and even stranger ~ methods of luring the sporting public. This page will include a number of those accounts, some which are first-hand accounts from the Fetters Family files. As always, our first and foremost concern is for dogs of all breeds ~ their humans' actions should not be confused with the splendid nature of all canine beings. An Index appears below to assist in navigation. Also, due to the nature of the blogsite, please check the Blog Archive links in the left-hand column of the page.

Tuesday, December 7, 2010

"The Real Decoverly is Gone for ever" (sic)

In this second piece for this page on this same topic (see: "Like a Hungry Tick Looking for a Dog"), again the subject is a man reported to be Dave Buehner of the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, area, who has been posting on various internet discussion forums under the user name of "Ryman Gun Dog."

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Mr. Buehner, who claims to have a dog business called "Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers," was brought to our attention by friends and clients early in 2010 when ~ posting under the user name of "Ryman Gun Dog" ~ he was announcing the abandonment of DeCoverly Kennel dogs to the Bucks County, Pennsylvania SPCA.

In one of these internet forum discussions initiated by Mr. Buehner, ~ sent to us by email in nearly its entirety by a friend ~ Mr. Buehner was subsequently questioned as to any ulterior motives he might be harboring concerning the nature of the discussion he began and various postings he was making to it.

This discussion, which Mr. Buehner entitled "The Real DeCoverly is Gone for ever" (sic) was on the Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board, found by clicking here, (which is associated with Shooting Sportsmen magazine, online magazine version found by clicking here) and is no longer available on the internet due to the fact that Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board keeps their inactive discussions available for a limited time.

However, we managed to screen shot the emails ~ due to the email program, the format will be seen to differ slightly ~ however can assure our readers that these are true and un-edited versions of this particular discussion.

While we wholeheartedly endorse and mightily encourage the rescuing of all dogs from SPCA shelters, other recue organizations and any untenable situations ~ and applaud all efforts on any individual's behalf to do so ~ there is still a question in our minds by just what method Mr. Buehner came across this information in the first place concerning the abandoned DeCoverly setters.

Certainly, Mr. Buehner lives some distance from the DeCoverly Kennel facility as well as some distance from the Bucks County, Pennsylvania, SPCA (nearly clear across the state). It is unlikely that Mr. Buehner is personally acquainted with any employee of the latter facility as he exhibits subtle ingnorances about the SPCA's operation.

Mr. Buehner, in various forums, claims to be associated in some manner with a man named Bill Reid, who is a former employee of DeCoverly Kennels, however Mr. Reid was long-gone from DeCoverly Kennels before these dogs showed up at the Bucks County, Pennsylvania SPCA.

And while Mr. Buehner claims to have known Ken Alexander all of his life, Ken Alexander reportedly neither was any longer associated with DeCoverly Kennels when the dogs were abandoned to the Bucks County, Pennsylvania SPCA. Nonetheless, the following Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board discussion would seem to raise only further questions regarding Mr. Buehner's true motives.

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"Like a Hungry Tick Looking for a Dog ..."

In the sporting world, a number of people take part in internet forums of different types. The upside of these forums is a sense of camaraderie, a chance to meet like-minded sportsmen one would have not met otherwise and an opportunity to both air one's and review others' opinions and information.
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One of the downsides of these forums is the same fact that makes them so accessible to the sporting public: that they indeed usually are open to nearly anyone in the general public who cares to participate.

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While John does not have the time to participate in or follow forums, we certainly do not condemn those who find them entertaining and informative.
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At any given time on these forums ~ to one extent or another ~ one is likely to find the occasional "internet troll" who, posting either as themselves or under an assumed "user name" (or at times, under any number of assumed identities) has ulterior motives for participation in such venues.
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The worst of these "internet trolls" are intent upon spreading around outright lies, half-truths and other misinformation in an attempt to either raise themselves in the opinions of others and/or to steer business their way for profit in a less than ethical manner.
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Nonetheless ~ as some of our clients and friends more familiar with these venues than we are have informed us and from what we recently have seen first-hand ~ the regular participants of these forums do an admirable job in both knocking down this false information as well as exposing these "internet trolls" for what they really are. Other forms of outright abuses reportedly are usually swiftly dealt with by the forum administrators and moderators.

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Some of these forums (and these particular mentions certainly are not meant to reflect on other such forums in any way) such as ~
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~~~ Gun Dog Forum, found by clicking here. >

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~~~ Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board, found by clicking here, which is associated with Shooting Sportsmen magazine, online magazine version found by clicking here.
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~ are reputed to to have regular forum participants who are especially vigilant to these "internet trolls."
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One of the most egregious of these "internet trolls" reported to have popped up on various hunting forums on the internet over the last year or so is a person who posts under the user name of "Ryman Gun Dog" and who signs himself off on his postings as "RGD/Dave."

He is reported to be a man by the name of Dave Buehner from the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, area who claims to have a "training facility" going by the name of "Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers" located in the northern Pennsylvania mountains.

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Mr. Buehner, after assuming the user name "Ryman Gun Dog," was brought to our attention after he was noticed by several of our friends and clients on various internet hunting forums announcing that DeCoverly Kennels had abandoned a number of their dogs to the Bucks County, Pennsylvania, SPCA at the beginning of 2010.

Although we whole-heartedly support and mightily encourage any efforts to rescue innocent animals from the SPCA, other rescue organizations or any other untenable situations, Mr. Buehner was subsequently questioned about possible ulterior motives he might be harboring in at least one of these internet hunting forums (more below).
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From reports we have received, Mr. Buehner seems to be a fairly regular participant on various internet hunting forums ~ and as well as attempting to spread more than his fair share of make believe tales and misinformation ~ promoting his dogs, his "training facility," a few of his "chosen" breeders at various times and former DeCoverly Kennels employee Bill Reid, whose exact relationship to Mr. Buehner is unclear.
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Recently, the Fetters Setters blog/web site was used as a source of valid information in a discussion on the Gun Dog Forum and Mr. Buehner felt compelled to make a series of malicious and demeaning remarks about the Fetters Setters blog/web site and John. After receiving numerous reports of this particular internet forum discussion from friends and clients, John decided it was appropriate that he personally respond to Mr. Buehner's posting.
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Upon learning that these forums have administrators and moderators who can exercise both editing and deletion powers at their own discretion ~ and that they at times may favor participants who post regularly, internet troll or no ~ we fully expected John's entire posting to be deleted.

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To our great amusement however, only one line of the entire posting was edited ~ called "the most offensive slam" by Gun Dog Forum administrator Greg Jennings.
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Thus, the title of this piece, "like a hungry tick looking for a dog ..."

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John had stated the following at the beginning of his posting:

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"Regards, RGD, Dave, Beaner, Beano or whatever name you're known by these days. I don't have time for forums. However friends and clients have sent me numerous "quotes" made by you on various forums across the internet over a period of time -- sort of puts me in the mind of a hungry tick looking for a dog

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This was the phrase in the posting which Mr. Jennings, the forum administrator, felt compelled to edit. Below are screen shots of this particular Gun Dog Forum discussion with both the edited and un-edited piece. Click on the thumbnails for full-sized versions ~ or just use the link right above the thumbnails below to go to the actual discussion on the Gun Dog Forum ~ if the discussion is still active, the latter being the easier method.

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We feel however that Mr. Jennings more than made up for this arbitrary edit/deletion by then going on to endorse John's issuing of the UPDATED "Fetters Challenge" (which can be viewed by clicking here) to Mr. Buehner (as can be seen in the discussion itself). As a side note, Mr. Buehner has not responded to John's issuing of the the "Fetters Challenge" to-date, nor has Mr. Buehner to-date returned to this particular forum discussion to make any further "contributions."

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However fearing at first that John's entire posting would be deleted or the entire discussion itself deleted, a friend thoughtfully obtained screen shots for us. Explanations and commentary will appear with the thumbnails below where necessary.
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We will also be presenting here in a separate piece another forum discussion which took place earlier in the year on the Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board forum. This discussion has since been discontinued as we were informed the Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board forum saves their discussions for only a limited amount of time after the discussions are no longer active.

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However we felt this second internet forum discussion ~ started by Mr. Buehner as "Ryman Gun Dog" ~ would also be of interest to our readers who never had an opportunity to read it and to also place into better context the subject of this piece and Mr. Buehner's role as a nefarious "internet troll."
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The first discussion, "Info on setters," is still an active topic as of the date of this piece (December 7th, 2010) on the Gun Dog Forum and can currently be found by clicking here. Again, viewing the forum discussion via the link is the easier method. The screen shot of the un-edited version of John's posting can be seen by clicking on thumbnail "Page 20" below.
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"Like a Hungry Tick Looking For a Dog ..."

December 7th, 2010

In the sporting world, a number of people take part in internet forums of different types. The upside of these forums is a sense of camaraderie, a chance to meet like-minded sportsmen one would have not met otherwise and an opportunity to both air one's and review others' opinions and information.

>>>

One of the downsides of these forums is the same fact that makes them so accessible to the sporting public: that they indeed usually are open to nearly anyone in the general public who cares to participate.

>>>

While John does not have the time to participate in or follow forums, we certainly do not condemn those who find them entertaining and informative.

>>>

At any given time on these forums ~ to one extent or another ~ one is likely to find the occasional "internet troll" who, posting either as themselves or under an assumed "user name" (or at times, under any number of assumed identities) has ulterior motives for participation in such venues.

>>>

The worst of these "internet trolls" are intent upon spreading around outright lies, half-truths and other misinformation in an attempt to either raise themselves in the opinions of others and/or to steer business their way for profit in a less than ethical manner.

>>>

Nonetheless ~ as some of our clients and friends more familiar with these venues than we are have informed us and from what we recently have seen first-hand ~ the regular participants of these forums do an admirable job in both knocking down this false information as well as exposing these "internet trolls" for what they really are. Other forms of outright abuses reportedly are usually swiftly dealt with by the forum administrators and moderators.

>>>

Some of these forums (and these particular mentions certainly are not meant to reflect on other such forums in any way) such as ~

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~~~ Gun Dog Forum, found by clicking here. >

and >>>

~~~ Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board, found by clicking here, which is associated with Shooting Sportsmen magazine, online magazine version found by clicking here.

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~ are reputed to to have regular forum participants who are especially vigilant to these "internet trolls."

>>>

One of the most egregious of these "internet trolls" reported to have popped up on various hunting forums on the internet over the last year or so is a person who posts under the user name of "Ryman Gun Dog" and who signs himself off on his postings as "RGD/Dave."

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Mr. Buehner, after assuming the user name "Ryman Gun Dog," was brought to our attention after he was noticed by several of our friends and clients on various internet hunting forums announcing that DeCoverly Kennels had abandoned a number of their dogs to the Bucks County, Pennsylvania, SPCA at the beginning of 2010.

Although we whole-heartedly support and mightily encourage any efforts to rescue innocent animals from the SPCA, other rescue organizations or any other untenable situations, Mr. Buehner was subsequently questioned about possible ulterior motives he might be harboring in at least one of these internet hunting forums (more below).

>>>

From reports we have received, Mr. Buehner seems to be a fairly regular participant on various internet hunting forums ~ and as well as attempting to spread more than his fair share of make believe tales and misinformation ~ promoting his dogs, his "training facility," a few of his "chosen" breeders at various times and former DeCoverly Kennels employee Bill Reid, whose exact relationship to Mr. Buehner is unclear.

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Recently, the Fetters Setters blog/web site was used as a source of valid information in a discussion on the Gun Dog Forum and Mr. Buehner felt compelled to make a series of malicious and demeaning remarks about the Fetters Setters blog/web site and John. After receiving numerous reports of this particular internet forum discussion from friends and clients, John decided it was appropriate that he personally respond to Mr. Buehner's posting.

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Upon learning that these forums have administrators and moderators who can exercise both editing and deletion powers at their own discretion ~ and that they at times may favor participants who post regularly, internet troll or no ~ we fully expected John's entire posting to be deleted.

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To our great amusement however, only one line of the entire posting was edited ~ called "the most offensive slam" by Gun Dog Forum administrator Greg Jennings.

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Thus, the title of this piece, "like a hungry tick looking for a dog ..."

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John had stated the following at the beginning of his posting:

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However fearing at first that John's entire posting would be deleted or the entire discussion itself deleted, a friend thoughtfully obtained screen shots for us. Explanations and commentary will appear with the thumbnails below where necessary.

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We will also be presenting here in a separate piece another forum discussion which took place earlier in the year on the Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board forum. This discussion has since been discontinued as we were informed the Shooting Sportsmen Bulletin Board forum saves their discussions for only a limited amount of time after the discussions are no longer active.

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However we felt this second internet forum discussion ~ started by Mr. Buehner as "Ryman Gun Dog" ~ would also be of interest to our readers who never had an opportunity to read it and to also place into better context the subject of this piece and Mr. Buehner's role as a nefarious "internet troll."

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The first discussion, "Info on setters," is still an active topic as of the date of this piece (December 7th, 2010) on the Gun Dog Forum and can currently be found by clicking here. Again, viewing the forum discussion via the link is the easier method. The screen shot of the un-edited version of John's posting can be seen by clicking on thumbnail "Page 20" below.

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